Tuesday 21 October 2008

Jung and Freud

Some primary differences:

Freud preferences the ego over the pre-oedipal self, whereas Jung weights the importance of pre-oedipal selfhood as of equal ontological value with the ego, when it comes to dissecting the contemporary soul. So, in Jung, there is more emphasis on the unconscious components of selfhood as features of mind that exist in their own right, rather than as (as Freud sees things) elements that require to be mastered by the ego. But Jung's model also implies that a fragmented -- or perhaps "postmodern" -- consciousness is actually normal, whereas the unified view of selfhood, even if it were possible, is an oversimplification by virtue of embracing a narrow rationalism.

My own experience is that Jung's model is closer to the model of the psyche you will experience as normal if you are brought up within Zimbabwean culture, and influenced by its native roots. The reduced sense of the importance of the individual per se, the magical feeling of connectivity to others and to Nature, and certain ironic gestures towards "civilisation" (ie. to the claims of ego) are common in this culture.

3 comments:

Seeing Eye Chick said...

So would you say that the Freudian Model of Ego--Might be the Proto-Dominionist. IF all aspects of the Subconscious must be mastered, and this is in part what generates feelings of one-ness with nature, magickal feelings, etc., That must be conquered--Thats sort of what it sounds like to me. I dont know if this makes sense. But it does on some level sound like a reflection or pre-echo of Dominionism to some degree.

Jennifer Cascadia Emphatic said...

Yeah, that is exactly how I see it. As I continue to study I may be proven wrong, to some degree. But my feeling is that it is how you said it is.

Mike B) said...

I never consciously felt connected to Nature until I dropped acid. Dropping acid or Mescaline is a way to explode reality as it stands in one's consciousness and to begin to explore the ego-less realm of sensuous reality. It's a dangerous trip or at least, it can be. But, appreciation of the wholeness of life, from the microbe to the whale becomes more apparent to one during the 'trip' or 'soul journey' as the Shamans would have it. This sense of awe at the Natural world at large, brings one back to the beginning of consciousness, to the 'pre-Oedipal" stage of consciousness.....to what becomes unconscious. To return to that awareness, expands the mind by reminding the mind of where it has come from. The point is to survive this revelation and one can do this by good intellectual preparation beforehand or by using a Shaman to guide one on through the mindscapes of the journey.

Cultural barriers to objectivity