Sunday 21 October 2012

Masculinity, femininity and sociopathy



  • Jennifer Frances Armstrong If sociopathy were really adaptive, it would not be accompanied by self-hatred, which it nearly always is.
  • Terry Couchman Yes that is the Human side strugglingh with the more 'primative' side.
  • Jennifer Frances Armstrong Women can also be conditioned by patriarchal mores. If the woman is herself one-sided through social conditioning -- all emotion and no reason -- she will do as much harm as any patriarchal male, if not more
  • Terry Couchman Unfortunately, it is also possible to be self selective and actively promote the traits in self as well as others. Male bonding often is such an opportunity. That is based upon long term observations of male behaviour and conversations.
  • Jennifer Frances Armstrong No, it's not the human side struggling with it's primitivism as such, since patriarchal theology, on which our societies are based, brings about the mental conditioning.
  • Jennifer Frances Armstrong I don't think being mentally tough, or being stoical, or having the capacity to be warlike, are necessarily bad traits in themselves. Masculinity is not the enemy here, the hatred of emotion is the enemy. Many men can be very strong or traditionally masculine, without hating their emotions.
  • Terry Couchman The genetic influence is in the ration of 1 : 4 suggesting a male sex chromosome, but genetics allows for translational and other chromosomes would have been affected. Genes never work in isolation, they are activated or moderated by environment and social experience. These influences are not absolute and Humans are capable of 'behavioural selectivity', one of the things that is particularly 'adaptive' of human's and perhaps some other mammals / primates.
  • Terry Couchman I agree. The aagressive traits are prinarily for defensive purpose in the 'human' genome, but can be 'traind' towards other intentions.
  • Jennifer Frances Armstrong Well, your biologist view differs somewhat from mine. I'm rather skeptical that chromosomes rather than social conditioning contribute to the behavior
  • Jennifer Frances Armstrong , I don't see much use for biological essentialism. Certainly, my experiences and observations don't corroborate it. I have seen people change quite significantly, and it really depends on how they're treated.


  • Jennifer Frances Armstrong I wonder if that is a useful way to look at the problem of sociopathy. I'm much more inclined to the view that it comes about through parents withholding affection in the early childhood years. This leads to a miswiring of the brain. of course, given our ideologies about men and women, boys would be subjected to this sort of treatment far more often than girls.

1 comment:

Clarissa said...

I really love your comments in this thread.

Cultural barriers to objectivity